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On this episode of the podcast, we learn about Plotinus, a Neo-Platonist philosopher who lived in Rome during \"the crisis of the third century.\" We discuss the difference between religion and philosophy and question whether or not JK Rowling stole parts of Harry Potter's backstory from Plotinus' life. We also learn about Plotinus' Hierarchy of Being and use the phrase \"Polaroid picture\" more times than Outkast does in their hit song \"Hey Ya!\". All this and more on the latest episode of Philosophize This! Support the show on Patreon! www.philosophizethis.org for additional content. Thank you for wanting to know more today than you did yesterday. :)

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 4.3.3-8 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 3, Chapters 3 to 8) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure) vs Balboa (metaphysics, content) translation of Plotinus Plotinus: we need to see 10:40 Phaedo: we don't experience the word “equal”, though we use the word 10:46 Plotinus as a meditation: Start with “Equal”, and go through each of the qualities that he has outlined 10:47 With equality, what can you do with Euclid? What does it add? beauty, greatness, order (e.g., only 5 regular solids) Goal of Euclid to show the intellectual structure of all forms, and they are all coming out of “equal” 10:55 Re-starting the reading of the 6.2.21 passage, and finding any questions/problems 10:57 what does he mean by “partial beings”? (and Cathy's question: Is he referring to souls?) 11:01 we don't know our boundary. Where should you reach to make sure you've got your limit (to self)? 11:03 David: the “One” can be: one, monad, unified, all, many -- or all of those 11:08 we do not appreciate that we are in two worlds 11:09 6.2.20 last line 11:14 KevinG: But how do you get the vision? 11:26 Continuing reading (re-starting 6.2.21) 11:34 "at once" 11:37 what's he doing with “number”? 11:42 how does “power” enter into the realm of the intelligence? 11:43 in the greek metaphysics, you have to be in the 2nd hypothesis to understand what he means by “power”, and to understand the connection he is making. Number comes into existence in terms of the 2nd hyp. In order to see how number is related to metaphysics/existence He (Plato/Parmenides) is going to show you that there are only 3 ideas you need to understand the 2nd hypothesis: one, being, and difference 10:45 These can be paired with one another, forming 6 pairs, and only a certain set of numbers can be associated with each one of those pairs 10:47 he generates all the numbers (in this exercies) that would fill mean analogies ONLY two orders of numbers: those that fit (his set), and those that do not (all number) 1,2,3,4,6,8,9: arithmetic, geometric, harmonic so Plato/Parmenides has this going from the 2nd into the 3rd, and Plotinus knows this 11:50 Can people do things with numbers that give them powers? 11:52 Ideas don't have power, right? 11:53 (with Regina) On “Equal”: What difference did today's reading make? 11:55 is Euclid appearing to teach us geometry, but is actually giving us a model for how to understand ? Post-discussion 11:58 JulieH and KevinG talking about their interactions with students 12:00 Barbara on axioms as a class of belief necessary for all the propositions: freeing 12:02 DavidC on Euclid's Proposition 4, and Tufts made a mistake (Heath got it) 12:05 Regina on Barbara's insight 12:08 end Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210508NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure) vs Balboa (metaphysics, content) translation of Plotinus Plotinus: we need to see 10:40 Phaedo: we don't experience the word “equal”, though we use the word 10:46 Plotinus as a meditation: Start with “Equal”, and go through each of the qualities that he has outlined 10:47 With equality, what can you do with Euclid? What does it add? beauty, greatness, order (e.g., only 5 regular solids) Goal of Euclid to show the intellectual structure of all forms, and they are all coming out of “equal” 10:55 Re-starting the reading of the 6.2.21 passage, and finding any questions/problems 10:57 what does he mean by “partial beings”? (and Cathy's question: Is he referring to souls?) 11:01 we don't know our boundary. Where should you reach to make sure you've got your limit (to self)? 11:03 David: the “One” can be: one, monad, unified, all, many -- or all of those 11:08 we do not appreciate that we are in two worlds 11:09 6.2.20 last line 11:14 KevinG: But how do you get the vision? 11:26 Continuing reading (re-starting 6.2.21) 11:34 "at once" 11:37 what's he doing with “number”? 11:42 how does “power” enter into the realm of the intelligence? 11:43 in the greek metaphysics, you have to be in the 2nd hypothesis to understand what he means by “power”, and to understand the connection he is making. Number comes into existence in terms of the 2nd hyp. In order to see how number is related to metaphysics/existence He (Plato/Parmenides) is going to show you that there are only 3 ideas you need to understand the 2nd hypothesis: one, being, and difference 10:45 These can be paired with one another, forming 6 pairs, and only a certain set of numbers can be associated with each one of those pairs 10:47 he generates all the numbers (in this exercies) that would fill mean analogies ONLY two orders of numbers: those that fit (his set), and those that do not (all number) 1,2,3,4,6,8,9: arithmetic, geometric, harmonic so Plato/Parmenides has this going from the 2nd into the 3rd, and Plotinus knows this 11:50 Can people do things with numbers that give them powers? 11:52 Ideas don't have power, right? 11:53 (with Regina) On “Equal”: What difference did today's reading make? 11:55 is Euclid appearing to teach us geometry, but is actually giving us a model for how to understand ? Post-discussion 11:58 JulieH and KevinG talking about their interactions with students 12:00 Barbara on axioms as a class of belief necessary for all the propositions: freeing 12:02 DavidC on Euclid's Proposition 4, and Tufts made a mistake (Heath got it) 12:05 Regina on Barbara's insight 12:08 end Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210508NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Notes on Plotinus - Ennead Five, First Tractate - On the Three Primary Hypostases  

Notes on Plotinus - Ennead Four, Ninth Tractate - Ar e All Souls One?

Notes on Plotinus - Ennead Four, Eighth Tractate - On the Descent of Soul into Body  

Notes on Plotinus - Ennead Four, Second Tractate - On the Essence of the Soul - Part Two

Notes On Plotinus Ennead Three, Third Tractate On Providence Part Two

Work: Enneads Sections: 1.3.1-6 (Ennead 1, Treatise / Tractate 3, Chapters 1-6) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 Reading from Ennead 6.2, by Plotinus (Balboa translation), which you may read or download free of charge here . Usually we video Friday night talks, but we had problems with the A/V equipment during the talk.  We still managed to capture on camera the dream explorations (beforehand) and chat (afterwards). A hearty "thank you!" to Oralia Balboa-Romo, who saved the evening for future generations by sitting up front and recording the audio for this evening with her little Sony ICD-PX312 dictation recorder, and sharing her recording with me to post. However, because the audio-recorder sat a distance of several feet away from Pierre, you may experience more difficulty distinguishing his recorded voice from the background noise. Headphones or earbuds may help. As usual, Pierre drew chart diagrams as he spoke, and these have been uploaded. We also plan to upload his hand-out. More info: http://noeticsociety.org Image, My favorite couple holding branches , courtesy of Flickr user balgenbruder under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 license , downloaded 2017-01-26. MD5SUM: 172cbc7526dd422e55cbe98634f91066  2017-01-27_NSFRI_plotinus6.2.ogg 941d8bf773b83f7b0bcfdc2627f89253 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag1R-aristotelian-definitions.jpg 0a0d323c341eb072827ef69e9ef90181 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag2L-if-you-can-define-it.jpg 581a02550d7ab6001122b42cebfd3ea1 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag3L-the-ten-categories.jpg 9c1e1fe0e08be5c1709901a0adfe610d 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag4R-the-seed.jpg 96a6b2b6d4754908669bf0ee06fec917 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag5L-living-things-have-a-center.jpg 49cbb597b98d2531195df0ab16ce2dee 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag6R-experience-and-definitions.jpg

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 Reading from Ennead 6.2, by Plotinus (Balboa translation), which you may read or download free of charge here . Usually we video Friday night talks, but we had problems with the A/V equipment during the talk.  We still managed to capture on camera the dream explorations (beforehand) and chat (afterwards). A hearty "thank you!" to Oralia Balboa-Romo, who saved the evening for future generations by sitting up front and recording the audio for this evening with her little Sony ICD-PX312 dictation recorder, and sharing her recording with me to post. However, because the audio-recorder sat a distance of several feet away from Pierre, you may experience more difficulty distinguishing his recorded voice from the background noise. Headphones or earbuds may help. As usual, Pierre drew chart diagrams as he spoke, and these have been uploaded. We also plan to upload his hand-out. More info: http://noeticsociety.org Image, My favorite couple holding branches , courtesy of Flickr user balgenbruder under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 license , downloaded 2017-01-26. MD5SUM: 172cbc7526dd422e55cbe98634f91066  2017-01-27_NSFRI_plotinus6.2.ogg 941d8bf773b83f7b0bcfdc2627f89253 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag1R-aristotelian-definitions.jpg 0a0d323c341eb072827ef69e9ef90181 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag2L-if-you-can-define-it.jpg 581a02550d7ab6001122b42cebfd3ea1 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag3L-the-ten-categories.jpg 9c1e1fe0e08be5c1709901a0adfe610d 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag4R-the-seed.jpg 96a6b2b6d4754908669bf0ee06fec917 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag5L-living-things-have-a-center.jpg 49cbb597b98d2531195df0ab16ce2dee 2017-01-27_NSFRI_diag6R-experience-and-definitions.jpg

High-resolution 192 kHz/24-bit lossless FLAC version of the LibriVox.org recording of the Enneads by Plotinus.  The six Enneads (ΕΝΝΕΑΔΕΣ) are the collected writings of the Neoplatonic philosopher Plotinus (ΠΛΩΤΙΝΟΣ) arranged by his student Porphyry (ΠΟΡΦΥΡΙΟΣ) into fifty-four books with each Ennead containing nine. The translator Kenneth Sylvan Guthrie arranged these books chronologically rather than according to Porphyry's numeration. Roman numerals indicate the Ennead and Hindu-Arabic numerals indicate the book e.g. VI.9 would be the ninth book of the sixth Ennead.  Scanned PDFs of the four volumes of the Enneads can be found on this Internet Archive page. Alternatively a hyperlinked table of contents at Volume 1 Page 3 of the https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42930 text will enable you to jump to the specific Ennead if you wish to read along with the recording.  Painting: The Angel of Death by  Émile Jean-Horace Vernet, 1851. Painting: Saint Eulalia by John William Waterhouse, 1885. Currently housed at Tate Britain. Recording & Cover Designs by Geoffrey Edwards are in the Public Domain.

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"A New Translation of Plotinus" is an article from The American Journal of Theology, Volume 24 . View more articles from The American Journal of Theology . View this article on JSTOR . View this article's JSTOR metadata . You may also retrieve all of this items metadata in JSON at the following URL: https://archive.org/metadata/jstor-3155506

(was originally to be: transmission gathas and Myo-Bong). Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org

Synopsis A “Brilliant” Sunday morning with Pierre. He lays out the path to an experience of Real Being (and later Brilliant Light of Being) by studying Plato's Republic , and then asks us to again look at the dialectic, and consider the many kinds. Highlights 2:57 warm up with JulieH on Homer and Achilles private understanding. Lacks generality, and ability for verification from others. 2:58 How is Achilles functioning (at the end) in the games and with Priam, that he did not, and likely, could not do, before? What kinds of virtues are being exhibited? What state of mind is he now occupied in, where there was no evidence of such a state of mind, prior? 2:59 Achilles had to give up his private use of the word, "understanding" because understanding is not private. It is public. And can be shared, and when it is understood, it can be completely grasped. 3:00 Does he show that ability prior to (the great) chapter 18? One of the problems mankind has, is that he thinks understanding is private and personal. It is neither. (To think such about understanding is a pathologos, and inadequate.)- The everyday (modern) use of the word understanding is not shared or universal. It lacks this. 3:02 Pierre puts up a diagram on his 2nd web-cam: An example of Understanding 3:02:47 to 3:04:43 -- sound goes out on Pierre's mic 3:05 Two ways to work on Plato: a. focus on what he is saying is not true (ie., what is being said by the Many, or popular, rather than philosophical). (Lower lines under the ideas: appearance) b. focus on the higher forms of these ideas (the lines above the ideas: "Reality") The bottom 2 (of the lines above) are particular to the subject. True statements, philosophically. The upper 2 (of the lines above) describe Beauty in the most general terms. Those same general terms will show up for the other ideas too. 3:07 “Being”: a mode of existence that each of these ideas has (but only in the upper realm). 3:08 Gather all those together into a Unity. What would happen then if you kept those ideas going for yourself that just reflect the unity of those ideas alone? Does it have its own “Reality”? Walk around. Keep it on your mind. Reflect. Is this true? For Plato, this prepares the mind for an experience of “Real Being”, and from that onward to the Brilliant Light of Being (Hypothesis 2 of Parmenides). (The highest box, however -- which is not the goal of Plato's Republic -- is the One/Self. (Hypothesis 1 of Parmenides)) 3:11 But something more important: How does this fit with the dialectic? But there are multiple dialectics. Which model of the dialectic would fit? 3:12 if it did fit, what would that mean? 3:15 comparing Plato and Proclus' study of Plato's Parmenides , is it likely that among them, we can find differences? 3:16 Which of the (9) hypotheses (in Plato's Parmenides ) would uniquely fit what we're doing? 3:21 (with JeffL) Plotinus on dialectic 3:26 what model of the dialectic are we going to use? what did Plotinus not include in his model? 3:27 what do we mean by model? 3:37 do we need the word, "ideal" when we talk about model? 3:38 Is there a model for reasoning? 3:40 Proclus' dialectic on Providence: What makes this different from the other models Proclus provides? 3:41 Why are the last 12 (of the 24) stages not needed in the dialectic on Providence? 3:43 What do the negative 12 stages of the Proclus dialectic do? 3:44 (with Barbara) Do we have an example of a dialectic where the last (negative) 12 stages do not reveal the truth of the subject under discussion by showing what its absence would bring about? 3:45 (with Eldar) Actually, Proclus' dialectic on Providence does have all 24 stages 3:46-49 (Eldar and JulieH) is the negative on Providence its absence? or, rather, the existence of Providence in the popular view ? 3:49 Why doesn't Plato have negatives of the 9 hypotheses? Why doesn't he also include (after each one), "And if it were not the case..", and continue the discussion? 3:49-50 (Barbara) Aren't the remaining 8 hypotheses all "negatives" of the 1st? 3:50 Therefore, there are not just 12, but 12 x 4 (= 48)! (Four positives, and four negatives) 3:51 Does the 1st (Plato/ Parmenides ) hypothesis stand to the last 8 hypotheses as the positives do to the negatives when he (Proclus) is talking about (doing dialectics on) Soul, or Providence (etc.)? 3:52 The so-called "negatives" (the lower 12 stages in a Proclean dialectic) are not really negatives, but are the consequences which follow from the absence of the subject under consideration. 3:54 (Bradley) is the 5th (Parmenidean) hypothesis the opposite of the 1st? 3:55 Are the 5th and the 9th expressing "negatives" different than what we just described? Or are they under the same principle (similar)? 3:56/7 (Pierre accidentally mis-words his statement about "if the negatives are true": I'm pretty sure he meant to have said NOT true ), and Jed asks him about it. Then Pierre gives the "ghost" example, but again, the lesson learned from it is (IMHO) backwards from his intention. Nevertheless, the general idea is that the negatives (ie the 12 results from "absences") and the positives oppose each other by looking at all possibilities, and force us to reflect on which might ultimately be true: the existence (and its consequences, ie the "positives") or the absence (and its consequences ie the "negatives"). 3:58 (Regina) considering the absence of something implies its existence 3:58 (Bradley) considering all of this as a quality or part of Ousia.. 3:59 (Eldar) yes, very complete 4:00 (JeffS) If the negatives (i.e., absences or the "without-which"s) reach an absurdity, then the negatives have to be negated -- i.e., we have to flip back and accept the positive ( existence) 4:01 Then we should be able to find the totality of all the absurdities (if we have exhausted the dialectic and all of its possible useful ideas (i.e., the 24 considerations or stages)) 4:02 Then whatever you are left with (after having exhausted all the absurdities) must be true. 4:02 (Eldar) Being and non-Being complete each other. Like the moon and the sky. You have to have the canvas of non-Being (sky) to have Being (the moon) 4:02 You have to leave the world of the absurd to enter into the intelligible 4:04 Gina, Sophist : The goal to show that there is a reality in Being to Not Being 4:06 Back to: Which hypothesis is most applicable to our purpose? 4:07 Is it possible to look at these ideas as all positive? Therefore there is an inherent weakness if non-Being exists in that category: Truly-existing ideas. If that can be maintained, then doesn't that show the metaphysical necessity for irrationality? 4:08 If so, should we have a dialectic on its existence? A Dialectic on the Irrational 4:09 Therefore non-Being exists and has .. therefore good and evil follow, and a metaphysics to follow from each JulieH: If you are doing a dialectic on the irrational. Therefore, non-Being exists. Therefore non-Being has Being. Should the idea of non-Being be equivalent to "evil"? Should evil be a principle as part of Creation? Where would it come from? 4:12 if it is true that non-Being exists, then Being itself doesn't exist. the metaphysics of ignorance 4:17 ignorance: just an incomplete search for the Truth 4:19 are all 24 necessary? Can we apply it to Plato's Parmenides ? 4:20 (Barbara) is there a reason to pursue "Does the Soul exist?" via the dialectic? 4:21 PG: Put them into a hierarchy and then see if you can find a totality. 4:22 (Julie) Are there other kinds of dialectic (e.g., Hegel's ) 4:26 can tehre be a dialectic with AI? 4:29 (JeffS) dialectics on Ignorance and Irrationality: Related? Could we string out a tree on dialectics? 4:30 PMW and dialectic (a chapter in Pierre's book) 4:31 (JeffL) Is the Prajna Paramita a dialectic (with all its negations)? 4:32 also Buddhist dialectics (and books on such) and Nagarjuna's dialectic, Kant's, Marx's 4:33 Geometry as a dialectic? 4:39 but it doesn't have a set of negatives 4:43 (Jed) comparing Proclus' dialectic vs Plato's Parmenides , and painting/Beauty 4:44 What is the purpose of the dialectic? 4:50 Again, we need a good definition of "dialectic". References / Resources Plotinus, Enneads . (Elmer O'Brien's Essential Plotinus) Plato. Parmenides . (primarily Balboa) See our NS Reading List for these. Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Synopsis A “Brilliant” Sunday morning with Pierre. He lays out the path to an experience of Real Being (and later Brilliant Light of Being) by studying Plato's Republic , and then asks us to again look at the dialectic, and consider the many kinds. Highlights 2:57 warm up with JulieH on Homer and Achilles private understanding. Lacks generality, and ability for verification from others. 2:58 How is Achilles functioning (at the end) in the games and with Priam, that he did not, and likely, could not do, before? What kinds of virtues are being exhibited? What state of mind is he now occupied in, where there was no evidence of such a state of mind, prior? 2:59 Achilles had to give up his private use of the word, "understanding" because understanding is not private. It is public. And can be shared, and when it is understood, it can be completely grasped. 3:00 Does he show that ability prior to (the great) chapter 18? One of the problems mankind has, is that he thinks understanding is private and personal. It is neither. (To think such about understanding is a pathologos, and inadequate.)- The everyday (modern) use of the word understanding is not shared or universal. It lacks this. 3:02 Pierre puts up a diagram on his 2nd web-cam: An example of Understanding 3:02:47 to 3:04:43 -- sound goes out on Pierre's mic 3:05 Two ways to work on Plato: a. focus on what he is saying is not true (ie., what is being said by the Many, or popular, rather than philosophical). (Lower lines under the ideas: appearance) b. focus on the higher forms of these ideas (the lines above the ideas: "Reality") The bottom 2 (of the lines above) are particular to the subject. True statements, philosophically. The upper 2 (of the lines above) describe Beauty in the most general terms. Those same general terms will show up for the other ideas too. 3:07 “Being”: a mode of existence that each of these ideas has (but only in the upper realm). 3:08 Gather all those together into a Unity. What would happen then if you kept those ideas going for yourself that just reflect the unity of those ideas alone? Does it have its own “Reality”? Walk around. Keep it on your mind. Reflect. Is this true? For Plato, this prepares the mind for an experience of “Real Being”, and from that onward to the Brilliant Light of Being (Hypothesis 2 of Parmenides). (The highest box, however -- which is not the goal of Plato's Republic -- is the One/Self. (Hypothesis 1 of Parmenides)) 3:11 But something more important: How does this fit with the dialectic? But there are multiple dialectics. Which model of the dialectic would fit? 3:12 if it did fit, what would that mean? 3:15 comparing Plato and Proclus' study of Plato's Parmenides , is it likely that among them, we can find differences? 3:16 Which of the (9) hypotheses (in Plato's Parmenides ) would uniquely fit what we're doing? 3:21 (with JeffL) Plotinus on dialectic 3:26 what model of the dialectic are we going to use? what did Plotinus not include in his model? 3:27 what do we mean by model? 3:37 do we need the word, "ideal" when we talk about model? 3:38 Is there a model for reasoning? 3:40 Proclus' dialectic on Providence: What makes this different from the other models Proclus provides? 3:41 Why are the last 12 (of the 24) stages not needed in the dialectic on Providence? 3:43 What do the negative 12 stages of the Proclus dialectic do? 3:44 (with Barbara) Do we have an example of a dialectic where the last (negative) 12 stages do not reveal the truth of the subject under discussion by showing what its absence would bring about? 3:45 (with Eldar) Actually, Proclus' dialectic on Providence does have all 24 stages 3:46-49 (Eldar and JulieH) is the negative on Providence its absence? or, rather, the existence of Providence in the popular view ? 3:49 Why doesn't Plato have negatives of the 9 hypotheses? Why doesn't he also include (after each one), "And if it were not the case..", and continue the discussion? 3:49-50 (Barbara) Aren't the remaining 8 hypotheses all "negatives" of the 1st? 3:50 Therefore, there are not just 12, but 12 x 4 (= 48)! (Four positives, and four negatives) 3:51 Does the 1st (Plato/ Parmenides ) hypothesis stand to the last 8 hypotheses as the positives do to the negatives when he (Proclus) is talking about (doing dialectics on) Soul, or Providence (etc.)? 3:52 The so-called "negatives" (the lower 12 stages in a Proclean dialectic) are not really negatives, but are the consequences which follow from the absence of the subject under consideration. 3:54 (Bradley) is the 5th (Parmenidean) hypothesis the opposite of the 1st? 3:55 Are the 5th and the 9th expressing "negatives" different than what we just described? Or are they under the same principle (similar)? 3:56/7 (Pierre accidentally mis-words his statement about "if the negatives are true": I'm pretty sure he meant to have said NOT true ), and Jed asks him about it. Then Pierre gives the "ghost" example, but again, the lesson learned from it is (IMHO) backwards from his intention. Nevertheless, the general idea is that the negatives (ie the 12 results from "absences") and the positives oppose each other by looking at all possibilities, and force us to reflect on which might ultimately be true: the existence (and its consequences, ie the "positives") or the absence (and its consequences ie the "negatives"). 3:58 (Regina) considering the absence of something implies its existence 3:58 (Bradley) considering all of this as a quality or part of Ousia.. 3:59 (Eldar) yes, very complete 4:00 (JeffS) If the negatives (i.e., absences or the "without-which"s) reach an absurdity, then the negatives have to be negated -- i.e., we have to flip back and accept the positive ( existence) 4:01 Then we should be able to find the totality of all the absurdities (if we have exhausted the dialectic and all of its possible useful ideas (i.e., the 24 considerations or stages)) 4:02 Then whatever you are left with (after having exhausted all the absurdities) must be true. 4:02 (Eldar) Being and non-Being complete each other. Like the moon and the sky. You have to have the canvas of non-Being (sky) to have Being (the moon) 4:02 You have to leave the world of the absurd to enter into the intelligible 4:04 Gina, Sophist : The goal to show that there is a reality in Being to Not Being 4:06 Back to: Which hypothesis is most applicable to our purpose? 4:07 Is it possible to look at these ideas as all positive? Therefore there is an inherent weakness if non-Being exists in that category: Truly-existing ideas. If that can be maintained, then doesn't that show the metaphysical necessity for irrationality? 4:08 If so, should we have a dialectic on its existence? A Dialectic on the Irrational 4:09 Therefore non-Being exists and has .. therefore good and evil follow, and a metaphysics to follow from each JulieH: If you are doing a dialectic on the irrational. Therefore, non-Being exists. Therefore non-Being has Being. Should the idea of non-Being be equivalent to "evil"? Should evil be a principle as part of Creation? Where would it come from? 4:12 if it is true that non-Being exists, then Being itself doesn't exist. the metaphysics of ignorance 4:17 ignorance: just an incomplete search for the Truth 4:19 are all 24 necessary? Can we apply it to Plato's Parmenides ? 4:20 (Barbara) is there a reason to pursue "Does the Soul exist?" via the dialectic? 4:21 PG: Put them into a hierarchy and then see if you can find a totality. 4:22 (Julie) Are there other kinds of dialectic (e.g., Hegel's ) 4:26 can tehre be a dialectic with AI? 4:29 (JeffS) dialectics on Ignorance and Irrationality: Related? Could we string out a tree on dialectics? 4:30 PMW and dialectic (a chapter in Pierre's book) 4:31 (JeffL) Is the Prajna Paramita a dialectic (with all its negations)? 4:32 also Buddhist dialectics (and books on such) and Nagarjuna's dialectic, Kant's, Marx's 4:33 Geometry as a dialectic? 4:39 but it doesn't have a set of negatives 4:43 (Jed) comparing Proclus' dialectic vs Plato's Parmenides , and painting/Beauty 4:44 What is the purpose of the dialectic? 4:50 Again, we need a good definition of "dialectic". References / Resources Plotinus, Enneads . (Elmer O'Brien's Essential Plotinus) Plato. Parmenides . (primarily Balboa) See our NS Reading List for these. Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. 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Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 2nd in the series of Plotinus 6.2 talks.  The first talk and link to the Balboa translation is here . More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 2nd in the series of Plotinus 6.2 talks.  The first talk and link to the Balboa translation is here . More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 2nd in the series of Plotinus 6.2 talks.  The first talk and link to the Balboa translation is here . More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 6.2 2nd in the series of Plotinus 6.2 talks.  The first talk and link to the Balboa translation is here . More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 4.3.22-25 Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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Original Location https://archive.org/details/19860103NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Thank you! Synopsis Pierre continues the discussion from 12/27/1986 on Plotinus Enneads Volume 5.1.6—8. Today we read Volume 5.1.6 (primarily) then reading of 5.1.7 and 5.1.8. The Three Primary Hypostases: How does Intelligence see? What does it see? And How does it come into existence and arise from The One so as to be able to see? Study Materials A.H. Armstrong translation Loeb Classical Library (Harvard Univ Press) ISBN-10: 0674994892 ISBN-13: 978-0674994898 Stephen MacKenna and B.S. Page translation Plotinus -- Great Books of the Western World, Volume 17 -- The Six Enneads Hardcover – 1952 Publisher: Encyclopaedia Britannica; NEWER SERIES edition (1952) Elmer O'Brien translation The Essential Plotinus, 2nd ed., 1964 ISBN 0915144107 (cloth) ISBN 0915144093 (paperback) Hackett Publishing Co. Attendees Carole and Bill, , Chang, Ruth, Nancy, Barbara, , Regina Rod and Sarah, Pierre and Nancy, Bill and Ronda, and Paul. Highlights Pierre continues the discussion from 12/27/1986 on Plotinus Enneads Volume 5.1.6—8. The discussion focuses on 5.1.6 where Pierre diagrams the Structure of the One. It overflows and becomes intelligible. The metaphysical mystery is when it returns it recognizes and sees, becomes act of seeing it’s proper object, it is an intellectual seeing and so it’s intelligence and Being. The questions discussed in this section are: How does Intelligence see? What does it see? And How does it come into existence and arise from The One so as to be able to see? What is begotten by the one is said to be begotten by the One without any motion. The One motionless produces that which turns upon itself, turns about to see it’s origin. While motionless how can it be the cause of all motion of that which is in motion? Put in another way: A Koan: The Buddha nature remains what it is, eternally, yet even a snowflakes melt because of it. Buddhists avoid metaphysics, while Plotinus wants to structure and look for the causes. The How question is a relationship question? The image Plotinus uses How does it produce? The sun without doing itself, what does it do, it radiates. The One is to Intelligence as Sun is to Light. To understand the How Plotinus’ uses the image of Sun is to Light and other such images. What does the sun do without doing, it radiates. Or when something reaches perfection, when it is mature it produces. When something matures reaches a level of perfection then its natural function is producing. But, The One is always perfect thus it is producing everlastingly, but its product is less than itself. That which comes from the most perfect, the one is Intellect to see it and needs it alone. The one however has no need for Intellect. The Order is The One, Intelligence and Soul. Soul is a kind of activity of Intellect just as Intellect is of The One. Discussion went to the connection between sun and light which can be called a union as in the 6th book of Republic. There are many such unions, sight in the eyes, and so one can list levels of that same union all the way to the Good and The One. The same principle is that…Chinese thought, expresses this succinctly. They call it principle of structural similarity. Certain relationships that exist in reality that permeates all such relationships. Relationship between sun and light is the same relationship between father and mother, king and queen, king and country. And you can push all the way up to the One and Intelligence. Relationships are constants but the terms vary. The principle of structural similarity. Discussion on the difference between the Hierarchy of Greek Thought and Christianity where The God father, the Son and the Holy Ghost have no differences or hierarchy, they are One or the Same. Implication it is heretical to consider a One higher than these three as Master Eckart did, naming the God head but was killed for such thinking. St Augustine wanted something beyond reason and to remove doubt of the 3 in one therefore faith which means it isn’t intelligible. The idea as outlined above, that The one superior overflows and produces that which is less is not the Trinity idea in Christianity. Credits Videography: BillD Editorial Review, Title, Synopsis, and Highlights: ReginaU More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

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This study aims at fin ding to which extent Farabi’s philosophy was influenced by Neoplatonism, especially in terms of the topics presented and the way they were addressed. This comes in the framework of knowing to which level both Farabi and Plotinus influenced, and were influenced by religion in the matter of: The One, The Intellect and The Soul on one hand, the knowledge, reconciliation between religion and philosophy, on the other. The study also examined the similar circumstances that surrounded Plotinus and Al-Farabi, which may have been a major reason for presenting and raising similar topics. The study concluded that the philosophical context is derived from the events and circumstances that philosophers live through, and that the issues raised by both philosophers show influence on and by religion. Most importantly there is no way to either deny or affirm what they agreed or disagreed upon, except for their aim; for the philosophy they both presented asserted that they sought happiness.

Work(s): enneads Sections: I.6.2-9 (Ennead 1, Treatise/Tractate 6, Chapters 2 to 9) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Work: enneads Sections: V.2.1 (Ennead 5, Treatise/Tractate 2, Chapter 1) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: IV.8.5-8 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 8, Chapters 5 to 8) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: IV.8.5-8 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 8, Chapters 5 to 8) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

The Indefinite Dyad in Plotinus’ Metaphysics & Mysticism Uncovering the Meaning of the Attribute of the One in Greek & Indian Monism

Work: enneads Sections: V.1.4-7 (Ennead 5, Treatise/Tractate 1, Chapters 4 to 7) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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( The Enneads Of Plotinus With Philosophical Commentaries) Plotinus, Stephen R. L. Clark (translator) Ennead VI. 9 On The Good Or The One Parmenides Publishing ( 2020)

( The Enneads Of Plotinus With Philosophical Commentaries) Plotinus, Stephen R. L. Clark (translator) Ennead VI. 9 On The Good Or The One Parmenides Publishing ( 2020)