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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion from last night regarding the wording of Pierre's exhortation to practice (internal) phronesis. Barbara also brings in three great quotes on phronesis from Plato's Republic , and at end Pierre dialogues with Sayon over Sayon's OBE's and recommends Sayon read Plotinus who has the same question: What Am I Doing Back in This Body? Highlights Phronesis vs perfectionism, continued, with Barbara and Jeff Most fully, most good, in the moment. Calling on the SElf to emerge, purely, to do this curious thing in the spirit of Good-ness Simple, powerful, over time, it will achieve its result 10:38 What is Science? Continuing discovery 10:57 Can you think of a time when this expression can fit your experience? Where you drop everything? What's the difference between these? 11:05 Barbara's 3 quotes 505c2 L2 89 For they say it is the phronesis of the Good, as if we understood their meaning when they utter the word ‘good’ 517c5 L2 130 and that anyone who is to act with phronesis in private or public must have caught sight of this. 518e2 L2 137 But the excellence of phronesis, it seems is certainly of a more divine quality a thing that never loses its potency, but according to the direction of its conversion, becomes useful and beneficent, or, again, useless and harmful Remembering Self 11:08 Bradley's dream exploration 11:25 PG's question (A: phronesis) 11:27 Discussion with Sayon: What am I doing back in the body? and thus Plotinus: The Descent of the Self: What happened to me? Here I am! And I just came down from a magnificent experience! Why didn't I stay there? Why did I come back down into the physical body? Dream Texts Bradley's Dream There was this boat and it looked like I was in France, Ya I was in Missouri and I looked at the boat, I was like how can I be in Missouri and it looks exactly like France? Resources / References Plato, Republic , Balboa Translation Elmer O'Brien, The Essential Plotinus . (See our NS Reading List for details.) Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210501NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We take a look at Plato's Parmenides , 3rd hypothesis. Highlights Reading. Rest, Motion, Self, Logos 7:55pm Praise the Logos? Instant/Gap? 7:56pm According to this argument, Time is an illusion 7:58pm We infer motion. But each frame is separate and distinct, has its own mode of being, as determined by the Logos 8:03pm a snapshot 8:04pm now go back and look at Plotinus 6.2.21 8:19pm what is Plotinus doing? Can we relate it to what is going on in the Third Hypothesis? Resources Plato. Parmenides . Balboa Translation Plotinus. Enneads. 6.2.21. Balboa Translation . Please see our NS Reading List for alternate translations of these works. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210507NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

High-resolution 192 kHz/24-bit lossless FLAC version of the LibriVox.org recording of the Enneads by Plotinus.  The six Enneads (ΕΝΝΕΑΔΕΣ) are the collected writings of the Neoplatonic philosopher Plotinus (ΠΛΩΤΙΝΟΣ) arranged by his student Porphyry (ΠΟΡΦΥΡΙΟΣ) into fifty-four books with each Ennead containing nine. The translator Kenneth Sylvan Guthrie arranged these books chronologically rather than according to Porphyry's numeration. Roman numerals indicate the Ennead and Hindu-Arabic numerals indicate the book e.g. VI.9 would be the ninth book of the sixth Ennead.  Scanned PDFs of the four volumes of the Enneads can be found on this Internet Archive page. Alternatively a hyperlinked table of contents at Volume 1 Page 3 of the https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42930 text will enable you to jump to the specific Ennead if you wish to read along with the recording.  Painting: The Angel of Death by  Émile Jean-Horace Vernet, 1851. Painting: Saint Eulalia by John William Waterhouse, 1885. Currently housed at Tate Britain. Recording & Cover Designs by Geoffrey Edwards are in the Public Domain.

Work: enneads Sections: V.1.4-7 (Ennead 5, Treatise/Tractate 1, Chapters 4 to 7) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure) vs Balboa (metaphysics, content) translation of Plotinus Plotinus: we need to see 10:40 Phaedo: we don't experience the word “equal”, though we use the word 10:46 Plotinus as a meditation: Start with “Equal”, and go through each of the qualities that he has outlined 10:47 With equality, what can you do with Euclid? What does it add? beauty, greatness, order (e.g., only 5 regular solids) Goal of Euclid to show the intellectual structure of all forms, and they are all coming out of “equal” 10:55 Re-starting the reading of the 6.2.21 passage, and finding any questions/problems 10:57 what does he mean by “partial beings”? (and Cathy's question: Is he referring to souls?) 11:01 we don't know our boundary. Where should you reach to make sure you've got your limit (to self)? 11:03 David: the “One” can be: one, monad, unified, all, many -- or all of those 11:08 we do not appreciate that we are in two worlds 11:09 6.2.20 last line 11:14 KevinG: But how do you get the vision? 11:26 Continuing reading (re-starting 6.2.21) 11:34 "at once" 11:37 what's he doing with “number”? 11:42 how does “power” enter into the realm of the intelligence? 11:43 in the greek metaphysics, you have to be in the 2nd hypothesis to understand what he means by “power”, and to understand the connection he is making. Number comes into existence in terms of the 2nd hyp. In order to see how number is related to metaphysics/existence He (Plato/Parmenides) is going to show you that there are only 3 ideas you need to understand the 2nd hypothesis: one, being, and difference 10:45 These can be paired with one another, forming 6 pairs, and only a certain set of numbers can be associated with each one of those pairs 10:47 he generates all the numbers (in this exercies) that would fill mean analogies ONLY two orders of numbers: those that fit (his set), and those that do not (all number) 1,2,3,4,6,8,9: arithmetic, geometric, harmonic so Plato/Parmenides has this going from the 2nd into the 3rd, and Plotinus knows this 11:50 Can people do things with numbers that give them powers? 11:52 Ideas don't have power, right? 11:53 (with Regina) On “Equal”: What difference did today's reading make? 11:55 is Euclid appearing to teach us geometry, but is actually giving us a model for how to understand ? Post-discussion 11:58 JulieH and KevinG talking about their interactions with students 12:00 Barbara on axioms as a class of belief necessary for all the propositions: freeing 12:02 DavidC on Euclid's Proposition 4, and Tufts made a mistake (Heath got it) 12:05 Regina on Barbara's insight 12:08 end Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210508NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Bibliography: p. 219-223

https://berserker.biz/ Plotinus' magnum opus in the translation of Stephen McKenna. Kenneth Guthrie's translation is better but this is offered as a second rate version.

https://berserker.biz/ Plotinus' magnum opus in the translation of Stephen McKenna. Kenneth Guthrie's translation is better but this is offered as a second rate version.

https://berserker.biz/ Plotinus' magnum opus in the translation of Stephen McKenna. Kenneth Guthrie's translation is better but this is offered as a second rate version.

Sections Enneads V.1.4-5 (Ennead V, Treatise 1, Chapters 4-5) Highlights Below is a brief review of topics covered from Scott. His more extensive notes are in the PDF in the Download Options menu on this page. 1). 1985-12-20_NSFRI Plotinus : Giving Birth to Intelligence and Being 2). Plotinus Ennead V.I The Three Primal Hypostases Reading Sections 4-5 from the following texts: Plotinus: The Enneads, Stephen MacKenna translation Plotinus Enneads V, the Loeb Edition, A.H. Armstrong translation The Essential Plotinus, Elmer O'Brien 3). Topics Covered A. Being and Intellect giving existence simultaneously to each other. 16:25 "The Intelligence gives existence to Being in thinking it. Being, by being object of thought, gives to The Intelligence its thinking and its existence." B. The Archetypal as the Model and the Universe we know as the Copy. 46:30 We're getting a description of the archetype, we're going to get more of it. We're familiar with this, our universe. We want to know: how did Plotinus make the connection between the two? C. Not only is the Archetype the model, it is the generator of the Copy. 51:45 Okay, Jack. Show us. How are you gonna do that? Let's see it. Here's something that is constantly changing and you're saying it's a copy of something that doesn't change? D. Thinsky's Thirteenth Proposition. 59:30 When you have these different descriptions of these mental states, and you see the way they're described, and then you see what is said about them, then that's where they diverge. How do you account for that? It's all the same experience. E. Why is there Something rather than Nothing? 1:20:30 "How does anything at all substantial come into substantial being? Why has the primal, the one, not remained self-gathered so that there be none of this profusion of the manifold such as we observe in existence..." Study Materials A.H. Armstrong translation Loeb Classical Library ISBN-10: 0674994892 ISBN-13: 978-0674994898 Stephen MacKenna and B.S. Page translation Plotinus -- Great Books of the Western World, Volume 17 -- The Six Enneads Hardcover – 1952 Publisher: Encyclopaedia Britannica; NEWER SERIES edition (1952) Elmer O'Brien translation The Essential Plotinus, 2nd ed., 1964 ISBN 0915144107 (cloth) ISBN 0915144093 (paperback) Hackett Publishing Co. Credits [Thanks to BillD for video-recording, and to HScottA for title, cataloguing info, and notes.] More info http://noeticsociety.org

Synopsis A “Brilliant” Sunday morning with Pierre. He lays out the path to an experience of Real Being (and later Brilliant Light of Being) by studying Plato's Republic , and then asks us to again look at the dialectic, and consider the many kinds. Highlights 2:57 warm up with JulieH on Homer and Achilles private understanding. Lacks generality, and ability for verification from others. 2:58 How is Achilles functioning (at the end) in the games and with Priam, that he did not, and likely, could not do, before? What kinds of virtues are being exhibited? What state of mind is he now occupied in, where there was no evidence of such a state of mind, prior? 2:59 Achilles had to give up his private use of the word, "understanding" because understanding is not private. It is public. And can be shared, and when it is understood, it can be completely grasped. 3:00 Does he show that ability prior to (the great) chapter 18? One of the problems mankind has, is that he thinks understanding is private and personal. It is neither. (To think such about understanding is a pathologos, and inadequate.)- The everyday (modern) use of the word understanding is not shared or universal. It lacks this. 3:02 Pierre puts up a diagram on his 2nd web-cam: An example of Understanding 3:02:47 to 3:04:43 -- sound goes out on Pierre's mic 3:05 Two ways to work on Plato: a. focus on what he is saying is not true (ie., what is being said by the Many, or popular, rather than philosophical). (Lower lines under the ideas: appearance) b. focus on the higher forms of these ideas (the lines above the ideas: "Reality") The bottom 2 (of the lines above) are particular to the subject. True statements, philosophically. The upper 2 (of the lines above) describe Beauty in the most general terms. Those same general terms will show up for the other ideas too. 3:07 “Being”: a mode of existence that each of these ideas has (but only in the upper realm). 3:08 Gather all those together into a Unity. What would happen then if you kept those ideas going for yourself that just reflect the unity of those ideas alone? Does it have its own “Reality”? Walk around. Keep it on your mind. Reflect. Is this true? For Plato, this prepares the mind for an experience of “Real Being”, and from that onward to the Brilliant Light of Being (Hypothesis 2 of Parmenides). (The highest box, however -- which is not the goal of Plato's Republic -- is the One/Self. (Hypothesis 1 of Parmenides)) 3:11 But something more important: How does this fit with the dialectic? But there are multiple dialectics. Which model of the dialectic would fit? 3:12 if it did fit, what would that mean? 3:15 comparing Plato and Proclus' study of Plato's Parmenides , is it likely that among them, we can find differences? 3:16 Which of the (9) hypotheses (in Plato's Parmenides ) would uniquely fit what we're doing? 3:21 (with JeffL) Plotinus on dialectic 3:26 what model of the dialectic are we going to use? what did Plotinus not include in his model? 3:27 what do we mean by model? 3:37 do we need the word, "ideal" when we talk about model? 3:38 Is there a model for reasoning? 3:40 Proclus' dialectic on Providence: What makes this different from the other models Proclus provides? 3:41 Why are the last 12 (of the 24) stages not needed in the dialectic on Providence? 3:43 What do the negative 12 stages of the Proclus dialectic do? 3:44 (with Barbara) Do we have an example of a dialectic where the last (negative) 12 stages do not reveal the truth of the subject under discussion by showing what its absence would bring about? 3:45 (with Eldar) Actually, Proclus' dialectic on Providence does have all 24 stages 3:46-49 (Eldar and JulieH) is the negative on Providence its absence? or, rather, the existence of Providence in the popular view ? 3:49 Why doesn't Plato have negatives of the 9 hypotheses? Why doesn't he also include (after each one), "And if it were not the case..", and continue the discussion? 3:49-50 (Barbara) Aren't the remaining 8 hypotheses all "negatives" of the 1st? 3:50 Therefore, there are not just 12, but 12 x 4 (= 48)! (Four positives, and four negatives) 3:51 Does the 1st (Plato/ Parmenides ) hypothesis stand to the last 8 hypotheses as the positives do to the negatives when he (Proclus) is talking about (doing dialectics on) Soul, or Providence (etc.)? 3:52 The so-called "negatives" (the lower 12 stages in a Proclean dialectic) are not really negatives, but are the consequences which follow from the absence of the subject under consideration. 3:54 (Bradley) is the 5th (Parmenidean) hypothesis the opposite of the 1st? 3:55 Are the 5th and the 9th expressing "negatives" different than what we just described? Or are they under the same principle (similar)? 3:56/7 (Pierre accidentally mis-words his statement about "if the negatives are true": I'm pretty sure he meant to have said NOT true ), and Jed asks him about it. Then Pierre gives the "ghost" example, but again, the lesson learned from it is (IMHO) backwards from his intention. Nevertheless, the general idea is that the negatives (ie the 12 results from "absences") and the positives oppose each other by looking at all possibilities, and force us to reflect on which might ultimately be true: the existence (and its consequences, ie the "positives") or the absence (and its consequences ie the "negatives"). 3:58 (Regina) considering the absence of something implies its existence 3:58 (Bradley) considering all of this as a quality or part of Ousia.. 3:59 (Eldar) yes, very complete 4:00 (JeffS) If the negatives (i.e., absences or the "without-which"s) reach an absurdity, then the negatives have to be negated -- i.e., we have to flip back and accept the positive ( existence) 4:01 Then we should be able to find the totality of all the absurdities (if we have exhausted the dialectic and all of its possible useful ideas (i.e., the 24 considerations or stages)) 4:02 Then whatever you are left with (after having exhausted all the absurdities) must be true. 4:02 (Eldar) Being and non-Being complete each other. Like the moon and the sky. You have to have the canvas of non-Being (sky) to have Being (the moon) 4:02 You have to leave the world of the absurd to enter into the intelligible 4:04 Gina, Sophist : The goal to show that there is a reality in Being to Not Being 4:06 Back to: Which hypothesis is most applicable to our purpose? 4:07 Is it possible to look at these ideas as all positive? Therefore there is an inherent weakness if non-Being exists in that category: Truly-existing ideas. If that can be maintained, then doesn't that show the metaphysical necessity for irrationality? 4:08 If so, should we have a dialectic on its existence? A Dialectic on the Irrational 4:09 Therefore non-Being exists and has .. therefore good and evil follow, and a metaphysics to follow from each JulieH: If you are doing a dialectic on the irrational. Therefore, non-Being exists. Therefore non-Being has Being. Should the idea of non-Being be equivalent to "evil"? Should evil be a principle as part of Creation? Where would it come from? 4:12 if it is true that non-Being exists, then Being itself doesn't exist. the metaphysics of ignorance 4:17 ignorance: just an incomplete search for the Truth 4:19 are all 24 necessary? Can we apply it to Plato's Parmenides ? 4:20 (Barbara) is there a reason to pursue "Does the Soul exist?" via the dialectic? 4:21 PG: Put them into a hierarchy and then see if you can find a totality. 4:22 (Julie) Are there other kinds of dialectic (e.g., Hegel's ) 4:26 can tehre be a dialectic with AI? 4:29 (JeffS) dialectics on Ignorance and Irrationality: Related? Could we string out a tree on dialectics? 4:30 PMW and dialectic (a chapter in Pierre's book) 4:31 (JeffL) Is the Prajna Paramita a dialectic (with all its negations)? 4:32 also Buddhist dialectics (and books on such) and Nagarjuna's dialectic, Kant's, Marx's 4:33 Geometry as a dialectic? 4:39 but it doesn't have a set of negatives 4:43 (Jed) comparing Proclus' dialectic vs Plato's Parmenides , and painting/Beauty 4:44 What is the purpose of the dialectic? 4:50 Again, we need a good definition of "dialectic". References / Resources Plotinus, Enneads . (Elmer O'Brien's Essential Plotinus) Plato. Parmenides . (primarily Balboa) See our NS Reading List for these. Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion of Plotinus 6.2.21, which gets us into Timaeus and Nous. Highlights Plotinus 6.2.21, Continued 7:04:30pm PST Chris asks: What are the four genera? A Study in what Plotinus calls, “Seeing” An Exploration of “Nous-ing and Logos-ing” Does Plotinus have a certain development? Compare Plotinus’ first and last descriptions of “seeing” Discussion of “seeing” in the greek with Barbara and David 7:27pm PST What is the Logos doing to and with Nous? It brings out the intelligibility of nous (Thus) Nous is not just an activity of the mind or soul, but there is an intelligibility to nous What's so hot about νους (Nous, Intellect)? Timaeus: The only real object of meditation is to contemplate nous. Nous is a very rare function: The gods possess it, but few humans have it. So this is a way of exercising the powers behind the idea of nous and making it familiar to us so that we can perhaps access it . You need the power of nous to understand the nature of ultimate reality: This is the goal of the Timaeus The whole intro to the Timaeus (says Plato) is superficial. The Mystery, the Real Problem 3 terms: Intelligible, Model-Copy, and Becoming In what is it becoming? Upon what does it become? Everyday world: no reason to call the elements elements, because everything passes out of and into the others. Instead, let's consider that everything is made out of one thing: "gold". Upon what is it projected? What is the recipient? (The so-called "screen" Pierre has talked about recently as a metaphor) Everything we experience has to be experienced upon something, something that is “pure”. How can something so pure except those images? Those images themselves are nothing but copies of eternal ideas, ideas in the intelligible realm, and everything we experience is an immitation of that realm. The necessary purity of the “screen”: it must be free of any additions other than itself Everything that exists has to be in a place Sacred place, pure What is it about this blank screen that accepts so much stuff upon it? is it just passive? or does it have an affinity for the objects that are going to be projected upon it? Then it is not pure, is it? How is it possible that these eternal ideas can be imitated on another (lower) level in our world? What is the transition? The only way out of this is to see the role of the Intellect (nous) The Mother: “The Nurse of All Becoming” (the blank screen) it participates in the Intelligible so Intellect (nous) is the one object of contemplation Being, Rest, and Motion: Keep these in mind while contemplating Nous, so as to re-establish yourself in it. What is it that is experiencing everything that you are experiencing in your life? Read Timaeus section (see Homework below) If these things are not projected upon anything, then how does it have its ongoing appearance? Generation, That which is generated upon, and Source. Father, Mother, etc. How does the Logos (and Pathologos) function in Plotinus 6.2.21? Does the blank screen reject the irrational while preserving the pathologos? Phi / Golden Ratio 7:57pm PST Chris' questions/comments regarding the φ (phi, golden ratio) Every pathologos is imitation All people really know is the difficulties they have, but not their problem So anyone thinks they understand their problem but still has difficulties still has the problem Back to the Pathologos and Plotinus What is it about that the one thing the pathologos does not turn upon is the Mind? missed 20:13 quote about the Self In the line of creation, we are the last members. We only create pathologos, which has no life in itself Parallels between what the Intellect is doing at the highest and lowest levels Back to Timaeus 8:28pm PST page 168 in Bollingen Thomas Taylor . “At present however it is necessasry to consider 3 sorts of things. One that which is generated. another that IN which it is generated. And a third, that from which the generated nature derives its similitude... But it is proper to assimilate that which receives to be like a mother. That from whence it receives, to a father. And the nature situated between these two are the offspring.. The receptacle which is destined to receive all possible forms hould itself be destitute of all forms (ideas). It is necessary that the subject that is so often destined to receive in a beautiful manner, through the whole of itself resembles eternal things. It itself should be naturally destitute of all that it receives.” (The Self) “.. we reall should call it a certain invisible species. Formless, it is a universal recipient. Its scarcely explicable manner participates of an intelligible nature.” “All opinions are the sisters. ANd they are not able to separate from our cognition..” The distinction between Intellect and Right Opinion Homework For Next Week Go over Timaeus 48-51 again, and be familiar with it. In Plotinus: Can we substitute "pathologos" for "logos" while reading 6.2.21, and see where it goes? Resources Balboa Translation of Plotinus Enneads 3.5 and 6.2 and MacKenna translation Plato, Timaeus : Taylor (both Bolligen and Prometheus Trust) and Loeb see our NS Reading List for references to the above Technical Issues Pierre's mic was actually too loud tonight (a first). We could not get it to quiet down in the beggining (before recording starts), so it will be “blaring” tonight. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210312NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion of Plotinus 6.2.21, which gets us into Timaeus and Nous. Highlights Plotinus 6.2.21, Continued 7:04:30pm PST Chris asks: What are the four genera? A Study in what Plotinus calls, “Seeing” An Exploration of “Nous-ing and Logos-ing” Does Plotinus have a certain development? Compare Plotinus’ first and last descriptions of “seeing” Discussion of “seeing” in the greek with Barbara and David 7:27pm PST What is the Logos doing to and with Nous? It brings out the intelligibility of nous (Thus) Nous is not just an activity of the mind or soul, but there is an intelligibility to nous What's so hot about νους (Nous, Intellect)? Timaeus: The only real object of meditation is to contemplate nous. Nous is a very rare function: The gods possess it, but few humans have it. So this is a way of exercising the powers behind the idea of nous and making it familiar to us so that we can perhaps access it . You need the power of nous to understand the nature of ultimate reality: This is the goal of the Timaeus The whole intro to the Timaeus (says Plato) is superficial. The Mystery, the Real Problem 3 terms: Intelligible, Model-Copy, and Becoming In what is it becoming? Upon what does it become? Everyday world: no reason to call the elements elements, because everything passes out of and into the others. Instead, let's consider that everything is made out of one thing: "gold". Upon what is it projected? What is the recipient? (The so-called "screen" Pierre has talked about recently as a metaphor) Everything we experience has to be experienced upon something, something that is “pure”. How can something so pure except those images? Those images themselves are nothing but copies of eternal ideas, ideas in the intelligible realm, and everything we experience is an immitation of that realm. The necessary purity of the “screen”: it must be free of any additions other than itself Everything that exists has to be in a place Sacred place, pure What is it about this blank screen that accepts so much stuff upon it? is it just passive? or does it have an affinity for the objects that are going to be projected upon it? Then it is not pure, is it? How is it possible that these eternal ideas can be imitated on another (lower) level in our world? What is the transition? The only way out of this is to see the role of the Intellect (nous) The Mother: “The Nurse of All Becoming” (the blank screen) it participates in the Intelligible so Intellect (nous) is the one object of contemplation Being, Rest, and Motion: Keep these in mind while contemplating Nous, so as to re-establish yourself in it. What is it that is experiencing everything that you are experiencing in your life? Read Timaeus section (see Homework below) If these things are not projected upon anything, then how does it have its ongoing appearance? Generation, That which is generated upon, and Source. Father, Mother, etc. How does the Logos (and Pathologos) function in Plotinus 6.2.21? Does the blank screen reject the irrational while preserving the pathologos? Phi / Golden Ratio 7:57pm PST Chris' questions/comments regarding the φ (phi, golden ratio) Every pathologos is imitation All people really know is the difficulties they have, but not their problem So anyone thinks they understand their problem but still has difficulties still has the problem Back to the Pathologos and Plotinus What is it about that the one thing the pathologos does not turn upon is the Mind? missed 20:13 quote about the Self In the line of creation, we are the last members. We only create pathologos, which has no life in itself Parallels between what the Intellect is doing at the highest and lowest levels Back to Timaeus 8:28pm PST page 168 in Bollingen Thomas Taylor . “At present however it is necessasry to consider 3 sorts of things. One that which is generated. another that IN which it is generated. And a third, that from which the generated nature derives its similitude... But it is proper to assimilate that which receives to be like a mother. That from whence it receives, to a father. And the nature situated between these two are the offspring.. The receptacle which is destined to receive all possible forms hould itself be destitute of all forms (ideas). It is necessary that the subject that is so often destined to receive in a beautiful manner, through the whole of itself resembles eternal things. It itself should be naturally destitute of all that it receives.” (The Self) “.. we reall should call it a certain invisible species. Formless, it is a universal recipient. Its scarcely explicable manner participates of an intelligible nature.” “All opinions are the sisters. ANd they are not able to separate from our cognition..” The distinction between Intellect and Right Opinion Homework For Next Week Go over Timaeus 48-51 again, and be familiar with it. In Plotinus: Can we substitute "pathologos" for "logos" while reading 6.2.21, and see where it goes? Resources Balboa Translation of Plotinus Enneads 3.5 and 6.2 and MacKenna translation Plato, Timaeus : Taylor (both Bolligen and Prometheus Trust) and Loeb see our NS Reading List for references to the above Technical Issues Pierre's mic was actually too loud tonight (a first). We could not get it to quiet down in the beggining (before recording starts), so it will be “blaring” tonight. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210312NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

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Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and then click on the Paypal (or other) link under "Support the Project" section. Then check "Make this a monthly donation". Synopsis Pierre takes the study group through reading of Plotinus Ennead V.1.6-7. These are difficult chapters with very good questions and positions. Three translations are compared, and they clearly also differ, depending on each translator's insight. Regina brings up a good question on insight and the testing of a kensho by the roshi (in a zendo). Discussion devolves into a discussion of hallucinogenic drug research. Study Materials A.H. Armstrong translation Loeb Classical Library ISBN-10: 0674994892 ISBN-13: 978-0674994898 Stephen MacKenna and B.S. Page translation Plotinus -- Great Books of the Western World, Volume 17 -- The Six Enneads Hardcover – 1952 Publisher: Encyclopaedia Britannica; NEWER SERIES edition (1952) Elmer O'Brien translation The Essential Plotinus, 2nd ed., 1964 ISBN 0915144107 (cloth) ISBN 0915144093 (paperback) Hackett Publishing Co. Highlights 0:00:30 - Intro discussion playing with the ideas of something and nothing. 0:06:00 - Start of reading chapter 6, comparing all 3 translations. 0:27:15 - Start of reading chapter 7, musing for 21 more minutes. 0:48:35 - PG starts the discussion: If anything goes on in your mind, do you instantly recognize it? 0:51:45 - Is there an intellect functioning in the mind? 0:53:00 - Is there recognition all the time? 0:58:00 - Pierre has run across one in the group (I don't know who this is, and he is down in front, off camera) who cannot conclude (i.e., make affirmative statements without qualifications). While they have a lot of fun with it, the implication is that this is clearly a pathologos and thus an invitation to philosophical midwifery. But they do not go there, instead continuing on with the topic at hand. 0:59:50 - What name do you want to give to the thing that is doing all this recognizing? "Intellect"? 1:00:30 - Can you be aware of doing the recognizing, while the recognizing is going on? 1:01:00 - "Intellection"? 1:02:45 - Is whatever appears in the mind a product of the mind? A product of what? Intellect? 1:04:00 - For this intellect to do what it's doing, it itself isn't one of these things, because that's the product of it. Thus intellect is not in the same class. 1:06:30 - If this is the Intellect, and you want to say there is something that is witnessing it (or aware of it), what then do you want to call that ? 1:10:15 - Two levels of recognition. Higher level is "the witness". 1:12:00 - Kensho experience 1:14:00 - Levels of reflection and self-reflection 1:17:00 - Recognizing unities 1:19:00 - Is there a difference between an idea/thought of a soul vs an image of a soul? 1:20:20 - Are thoughts different than images? 1:23:00 - The nature of insights 1:25:40 - Three levels of cognition 1:27:00 - dialogue with Regina on what witnesses an insight, and on whether a person's answer to a koan can show the roshi the depth of a person's insight/kensho/satori 1:43:15 - Communicating an experience of Mu 1:43:49 - Rod Wallbank's tape, and his story of listening to KPFK/Roy-of-Hollywood, about the McKenna brothers (Terence and Dennis) and their research into ayahuasca and pharmacology, and the central role words/logos play in these experiences. (Their original 1975 Book -- "The Invisible Landscape: Mind, Hallucinogens, and the I Ching", Seabury Press (ISBN-10: 0816492492, ISBN-13: 978-0816492497). 1994 HarperOne reprint -- ISBN-10: 0062506358, ISBN-13: 978-0062506351), and discussion of various psychedelic drugs 1:58:00 - Plans for the upcoming New Years Eve More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Work(s): enneads Sections: I.6.2-9 (Ennead 1, Treatise/Tractate 6, Chapters 2 to 9) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads Chapters: 4.3.22-25 Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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LibriVox recording of Enneads by Plotinus; Porphyry. (Translated by Kenneth Guthrie.) Read in English by Geoffrey Edwards The six Enneads (ΕΝΝΕΑΔΕΣ) are the collected writings of the Neoplatonic philosopher Plotinus (ΠΛΩΤΙΝΟΣ) arranged by his student Porphyry (ΠΟΡΦΥΡΙΟΣ) into fifty-four books with each Ennead containing nine. The translator Kenneth Sylvan Guthrie arranged these books chronologically rather than according to Porphyry's numeration. This recording is organized according to Porphyry's numeration with Roman numerals indicating the Ennead and Hindu-Arabic numerals indicating the book e.g. VI.9 would be the ninth book of the sixth Ennead. A hyperlinked table of contents at Volume 1 Page 3 of the gutenberg.org text will enable you to jump to the specific Ennead if you wish to read along with the recording. (Summary by Geoffrey Edwards) For further information, including links to online text, reader information, RSS feeds, CD cover or other formats (if available), please go to the LibriVox catalog page for this recording. For more free audio books or to become a volunteer reader, visit LibriVox.org . M4B Audiobook 00-12 (134MB) M4B Audiobook 13-25 (189MB) M4B Audiobook 26-38 (233MB) M4B Audiobook 39-51 (218MB) M4B Audiobook 52-64 (260MB) M4B Audiobook 65-77 (267MB) M4B Audiobook 78-90 (167MB)

Introduction to Plotinus

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Dialogue(s): enneads;timaeus Chapters: IV.8.1-4 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 8, Chapters 1 through 4) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads;timaeus Chapters: IV.8.1-4 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 8, Chapters 1 through 4) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Dialogue(s): enneads;timaeus Chapters: IV.8.1-4 (Ennead 4, Treatise/Tractate 8, Chapters 1 through 4) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

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( The Enneads Of Plotinus With Philosophical Commentaries) Plotinus, Stephen R. L. Clark (translator) Ennead VI. 9 On The Good Or The One Parmenides Publishing ( 2020)

( The Enneads Of Plotinus With Philosophical Commentaries) Plotinus, Stephen R. L. Clark (translator) Ennead VI. 9 On The Good Or The One Parmenides Publishing ( 2020)

( The Enneads Of Plotinus With Philosophical Commentaries) Plotinus, Stephen R. L. Clark (translator) Ennead VI. 9 On The Good Or The One Parmenides Publishing ( 2020)

Work: enneads Sections: V.2.1 (Ennead 5, Treatise/Tractate 2, Chapter 1) Text Used: The Essential Plotinus , Elmer O'Brien, transl. ISBN-13: 978-0915144099 ISBN-10: 0915144093 [Thanks to StefanR for Title and Sections] More info: http://noeticsociety.org

Translation and chronological sequence of the Enneads of Plotinus by Kenneth Guthrie, 1918. This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License

First Ennead: Tractate: Animate and the man -- On virtue -- On dialectic (the upward way) -- On true happiness -- Happiness and extension of time -- Beauty -- On the primal good and secondary forms of good (otherwise, "On happiness") -- On the nature and source of evil -- "Reasoned dismissal" -- Second ennead: On the kosmos or the heavenly system -- Heavenly circuit -- Are the stars causes? -- Matter in its two kinds -- On potentiality and actuality -- Quality and form-idea -- On complete transfusion -- Why distant objects appear small -- Against those that affirm the creator of the kosmos and the kosmos itself to be evil (generally quoted as "Against the Gnostics") -- Third ennead: Fate -- On providence (1) -- On providence (2) -- Our tutelary spirit -- On love -- Impassivity of the unembodied -- Time and eternity -- Nature contemplation and the One -- Detached considerations -- Fourth ennead: On the essence of the soul (1) -- On the essence of the soul (2) Problems of the soul (1) -- Problems of the soul (2) -- Problems of the soul (3) (also entitled "On sight") -- Perception and memory -- Immortality of the soul -- Soul's descent into the body -- Are all souls one? -- Fifth ennead: Three initial hypostases -- Origin and order of the beings following on the first -- Knowing hypostases and the transcendent -- How the secondaries arise from the first: and on the One -- That the intellectual beings are not outside the intellectual principle: and on the nature of the good -- That the principle transcending being has no intellectual act; what being has intellection primally and what has it secondarily -- Is there an ideal archetype of particular beings? -- On the intellectual beauty -- Intellectual principle, the ideas, and authentic existence -- Sixth ennead: On the kinds of being (1) -- On the kinds of being (2) -- On the kinds of being (3) On the integral omnipresence of the authentic existent (1) -- On the integral omnipresence of the authentic existent (2) -- On numbers -- How the multiplicity of Ideal-forms came into being: and upon the good -- On free-will and the will of the One -- On the good, or the One

First Ennead: Tractate: Animate and the man -- On virtue -- On dialectic (the upward way) -- On true happiness -- Happiness and extension of time -- Beauty -- On the primal good and secondary forms of good (otherwise, "On happiness") -- On the nature and source of evil -- "Reasoned dismissal" -- Second ennead: On the kosmos or the heavenly system -- Heavenly circuit -- Are the stars causes? -- Matter in its two kinds -- On potentiality and actuality -- Quality and form-idea -- On complete transfusion -- Why distant objects appear small -- Against those that affirm the creator of the kosmos and the kosmos itself to be evil (generally quoted as "Against the Gnostics") -- Third ennead: Fate -- On providence (1) -- On providence (2) -- Our tutelary spirit -- On love -- Impassivity of the unembodied -- Time and eternity -- Nature contemplation and the One -- Detached considerations -- Fourth ennead: On the essence of the soul (1) -- On the essence of the soul (2) Problems of the soul (1) -- Problems of the soul (2) -- Problems of the soul (3) (also entitled "On sight") -- Perception and memory -- Immortality of the soul -- Soul's descent into the body -- Are all souls one? -- Fifth ennead: Three initial hypostases -- Origin and order of the beings following on the first -- Knowing hypostases and the transcendent -- How the secondaries arise from the first: and on the One -- That the intellectual beings are not outside the intellectual principle: and on the nature of the good -- That the principle transcending being has no intellectual act; what being has intellection primally and what has it secondarily -- Is there an ideal archetype of particular beings? -- On the intellectual beauty -- Intellectual principle, the ideas, and authentic existence -- Sixth ennead: On the kinds of being (1) -- On the kinds of being (2) -- On the kinds of being (3) On the integral omnipresence of the authentic existent (1) -- On the integral omnipresence of the authentic existent (2) -- On numbers -- How the multiplicity of Ideal-forms came into being: and upon the good -- On free-will and the will of the One -- On the good, or the One

Enneads by Plotinus  with introduction

The manuscripts of Plotinus (c. 204 – 220 AD) represent a definitive example of the philosophy later known as Neoplatonism. Porphyry, a disciple of Plotinus, edited these manuscripts into six groups of nine (enneads in Greek), which are published here in their entirety. Physical copies available here:  https://tradition.st/the-enneads/

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Translations by Juan and Maria Balboa of the Enneads written by the neoplatonist philosopher Plotinus (Wikipedia) (Harpers on Perseus) . Inter-linear Greek and English.  In PDF format. Currently there are only two documents in this set (3.5 and 6.2). More are forthcoming. Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes , and members of the Noetic Society . They have contributed this translation to the Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.  Thank you both! For more information, please visit the Juan and Maria Balboa page at the Noetic Society website. For alternative translations we have also used for Plotinus’ Enneads, see our NS Reading List .

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