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Synopsis Another Saturday morning chat with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue reading in Plotinus’ Sixth Ennead, Tractate 2, Chapter 21 (and a little bit of the end of Chapter 20). Highlights 09:58am PDT warm-up: PMW with Regina on insights she is having while reading Plato and Plotinus, and the family pathologos, “Don't think you know so/too much” 10:20 Stanley: Plotinus and meditation 10:22 Kate: reading and being smart in her family 10:25 Barbara on Loeb (grammatical structure) vs Balboa (metaphysics, content) translation of Plotinus Plotinus: we need to see 10:40 Phaedo: we don't experience the word “equal”, though we use the word 10:46 Plotinus as a meditation: Start with “Equal”, and go through each of the qualities that he has outlined 10:47 With equality, what can you do with Euclid? What does it add? beauty, greatness, order (e.g., only 5 regular solids) Goal of Euclid to show the intellectual structure of all forms, and they are all coming out of “equal” 10:55 Re-starting the reading of the 6.2.21 passage, and finding any questions/problems 10:57 what does he mean by “partial beings”? (and Cathy's question: Is he referring to souls?) 11:01 we don't know our boundary. Where should you reach to make sure you've got your limit (to self)? 11:03 David: the “One” can be: one, monad, unified, all, many -- or all of those 11:08 we do not appreciate that we are in two worlds 11:09 6.2.20 last line 11:14 KevinG: But how do you get the vision? 11:26 Continuing reading (re-starting 6.2.21) 11:34 "at once" 11:37 what's he doing with “number”? 11:42 how does “power” enter into the realm of the intelligence? 11:43 in the greek metaphysics, you have to be in the 2nd hypothesis to understand what he means by “power”, and to understand the connection he is making. Number comes into existence in terms of the 2nd hyp. In order to see how number is related to metaphysics/existence He (Plato/Parmenides) is going to show you that there are only 3 ideas you need to understand the 2nd hypothesis: one, being, and difference 10:45 These can be paired with one another, forming 6 pairs, and only a certain set of numbers can be associated with each one of those pairs 10:47 he generates all the numbers (in this exercies) that would fill mean analogies ONLY two orders of numbers: those that fit (his set), and those that do not (all number) 1,2,3,4,6,8,9: arithmetic, geometric, harmonic so Plato/Parmenides has this going from the 2nd into the 3rd, and Plotinus knows this 11:50 Can people do things with numbers that give them powers? 11:52 Ideas don't have power, right? 11:53 (with Regina) On “Equal”: What difference did today's reading make? 11:55 is Euclid appearing to teach us geometry, but is actually giving us a model for how to understand ? Post-discussion 11:58 JulieH and KevinG talking about their interactions with students 12:00 Barbara on axioms as a class of belief necessary for all the propositions: freeing 12:02 DavidC on Euclid's Proposition 4, and Tufts made a mistake (Heath got it) 12:05 Regina on Barbara's insight 12:08 end Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210508NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever small amount is within your regular monthly budget. Also, please consider donating to the Internet Archive , which stores our work here free of charge, as well. Thank you! More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.